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Introduction: Mark Palko asks what I think of this article by Francisco Louca, who writes about “‘hybridization’, a synthesis between Fisherian and Neyman-Pearsonian precepts, defined as a number of practical proceedings for statistical testing and inference that were developed notwithstanding the original authors, as an eventual convergence between what they considered to be radically irreconcilable.” To me, the statistical ideas in this paper are too old-fashioned. The issue is not that the Neyman-Pearson and Fisher approaches are “irreconcilable” but rather that neither does the job in the sort of hard problems that face statistical science today. I’m thinking of technically difficult models such as hierarchical Gaussian processes and also challenges that arise with small sample size and multiple testing. Neyman, Pearson, and Fisher all were brilliant, and they all developed statistical methods that remain useful today, but I think their foundations are out of date. Yes, we currently use m


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