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Introduction: Thomas Basbøll pointed me to a discussion on the orgtheory blog in which Jerry Davis, the editor of a journal of business management argued that it is difficult for academic researchers to communicate with the public because “the public prefers Cheetos to a healthy salad” and when serious papers are discussed on the internet, “everyone is a methodologist.” The discussion heated up when an actual methodologist, Steve Morgan, joined in to argue that the salad in question was not so healthy and that the much-derided internet commenters made some valuable points. The final twist was that one of the orgtheory bloggers deleted a comment and then closed the thread entirely when the discussion got too conflictual. In a few days I’ll return to the meta-topic of the discussion, but right now I want to focus on one thing Davis wrote, a particular statement that illustrates to me the gap between the rhetorical and the literal, the way in which a statement can sound good but make no sense. He


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1 ” The discussion heated up when an actual methodologist, Steve Morgan, joined in to argue that the salad in question was not so healthy and that the much-derided internet commenters made some valuable points. [sent-2, score-0.551]

2 As is traditional at ASQ, the authors faced smart and skeptical reviewers who put them through the wringer, and a harsh and generally negative editor (me). [sent-14, score-0.519]

3 If Davis was generally negative about the paper, why did he publish it at all? [sent-20, score-0.255]

4 ” And, more to the point, what does it mean to be “harsh and generally negative” about a paper that is “really nice,” “extremely sophisticated,” and “really good”? [sent-22, score-0.264]

5 A paper was published in his journal and got positive publicity in the newspaper. [sent-25, score-0.562]

6 This made him happy (as indeed it should; he works hard as a journal editor and it’s good to feel that your work is making an impact), but then he was unhappy to see many of the newspaper’s internet commenters criticizing the study, and he vented his annoyance on the orgtheory blog. [sent-26, score-0.751]

7 For rhetorical reasons, he amped up the praise of this solid but unexciting article and described his own editing role as “harsh and generally negative” to heighten the contrast. [sent-28, score-0.297]

8 ” Again, I’m not saying that this paper was terrible, just pointing out the gap between incoherence of the praise that the journal editor is giving to it. [sent-34, score-0.512]

9 It’s hard to get a paper published in a top journal—and, from an editor’s point of view, it’s hard to get media publicity—so, in either case, when you’ve achieved that goal, it’s natural to want to take a rest. [sent-36, score-0.457]

10 The main reason that I love getting a paper published is that then I can close the process and move on to other new and exciting projects. [sent-47, score-0.284]

11 ” The fact that in such public debates of my previously published papers I’d need to go back to old stuff, essentially takes away the biggest satisfaction I derive from publishing a paper. [sent-49, score-0.4]

12 I mean, sure, I too get satisfaction out of having a project done, seeing the paper in reader’s hands, seeing the book on the shelf, grading the last final exam and saying goodbye to the semester—but “the biggest satisfaction”? [sent-52, score-0.482]

13 If your biggest satisfaction in a project is that it’s done and you get to “move on,” maybe you shouldn’t have done that project in the first place! [sent-55, score-0.369]

14 For me, the biggest satisfaction of hiking in the mountains is that delicious moment when I get to take off the backpack and rest. [sent-56, score-0.233]

15 ” I assume that the prize motivates people who otherwise would not have read and commented on the book to read and comment on it, and that these marginal readers and commenters are less enthusiastic about the book, compared to people who would read and comment on it even in the absence of a prize. [sent-63, score-0.351]

16 Or, as one of the much-derided anonymous internet commenters writes : It doesn’t surprise me. [sent-64, score-0.351]

17 You get it a lot on amazon where if a book has won an award or becomes famous it attracts a lot of negative reviews because people buy it because of the hype when it’s probably not their sort of book. [sent-65, score-0.475]

18 Meanwhile less famous books by the same author get higher average reviews because they tend to be read only by people who are into that writer and maybe more on their wavelength. [sent-66, score-0.267]

19 I’m a big fan of Roberto Bolaño for example and his two most famous books 2666 and Savage Detectives have some pretty negative reviews by people who bought them on the back of the hype and hated them because he’s simply not a writer for everyone. [sent-67, score-0.435]

20 ” Davis’s preferred paper is related to business management and the texting paper is related to public health, so I can see why he, as a business-school professor, would consider the former topic more important and worthy of serious coverage. [sent-76, score-0.557]


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